Comments on: Killzone 2 To Change Expectations For PS3 Developers http://dlb-network.com/2009/01/killzone-2-to-change-expectations-for-ps3-developers/ A place for gamers Sat, 20 Mar 2010 04:37:21 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: tcube http://dlb-network.com/2009/01/killzone-2-to-change-expectations-for-ps3-developers/#comment-14893 tcube Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:33:21 +0000 http://dlb-network.com/?p=3740#comment-14893 i think kz2 will undoubtedly raise the bar, but very much doubt that 2009 will be the year to see the fruits of these developers labor pay off for sony... this game has been in development for a long time... in fact, development for this game started in 2005, before ps3 hardware was even materialized in 2006... obviously it was a big mystery when they where looking under the hood of ps3 then and its a given as to why it took this much time since they had to creat devlopment tools from scratch... sony is still aking for that halo/gears trojan horse that microsoft has for xbox and are funding this ps3 game more than any other game out there... although doubtful, they could have delayed kz2 till 2010 had the graphics not met that standard that sony hyped so much about... now try to put a game developers mindset into context for a second b4 you call them lazy plz... they don't have the luxury 4 yr development scheduals and have unlimited funds coming in to devolop their games... their has always been more than one video game console and what do you do to maximize profits??... you all know the answer - its cross platform devlopment... what console do we all know is doing best for games sales at the moment must i seriously ask... if making the prettiest game was all that mattered, then the wii would be a door stopper rather than the popular excersie machine it is now... you can't blame game developer in this harsh do or die business of making games... only the strongest with deep pockets survive, and rarely thrive... and guess who makes most games... its the 3rd party developers that make games for both systems who usually fill the gaps while you WAIT for these monster killer app releases... i agree that 360 will keep 3rd party developers from maximizing the potential of ps3's power, but as long as 360 is doubling sales of ps3, it'll probly remain this way unfortunetly... you should probably blame sony in a way for this - for making this system too expensive... its way too ironic how sony and microsoft switched roles this gen... all you have to do is look back in time at xbox1 vs ps2 for your answer... xbox was a system that was released after the ps2 and was way more expensive due to microsofts ambitious hardware plans fpr xbox... and due to being the late blumer in that generation, developers took the road that was of less RISK.. they made money on a system with a large install base that had near xbox level graphics due to highly eveloved and familiar development tools and basically was a system that could sell their titles to keep their game making company a float... what ended up hapening was due to the lack of developer support, xbox game graphics didn't evolve much and ps2 games ended up looking nicer, in fact many nicer looking games than on xbox... only a few stand out exclusives and microsoft's own halo 2 where able to outdue it in the graphics depmartment... by then it had been 3-4 years for these slightly prettier games to come out and xbox's life cycle was cut short due to poor sales... they since then realized that they needed to change their image and make a system that is more practivle/economical and came up with an ipod look alike - not a high end big black box thats too expenisve and out of reach for mainstream... that was a huge mistake microsft made and payed dearly for... they where too amitious with hardware last round and ultimatly lost because "m$" (of all companies) couldn't drop the price of their system and apeas to the masses... 12 yr old billy's soccer mom is not going to buy him a ps3 when 360 apears to have the same games/graphics and is cheaper... yes video games have reached out to a much larger demograph this generation more now then b4, but you can't undermine/alienate the so many soccer moms out there that made the ps2 so huge... forget the argument about ps3 being much better value, we all know this, its no secret that ps3 is better bang for your buck... but the people sitting here reading these posts that own all the latest hd gear are in the minority still and billy's mom either bought him a wii or an xbox this christmas... its not laziness, just smart business practice to stick to what makes you the $$.. its install base that gets your this $$ and developers will SLOWLY make ps3 games prettier and find ways to make cross platform games better for both systems... if sony can't find a way to drop the price soon to make a big dent in xbox sales and have an install base that would be profitable for developers, then just place kz2 atop as crem-de-la-crem graphics you'll see until kz3 or the next sony in-house studio game... for now, just be happy and buy the system that has the exclusives you want that someday you'll eventually play (some cases your hopes will be axed in favor for the next-gen) and bless those 3rd party developers that find economic ways of entertainaing you for countless hours while they survive in what is known as the game industry... just my 2 cents i think kz2 will undoubtedly raise the bar, but very much doubt that 2009 will be the year to see the fruits of these developers labor pay off for sony… this game has been in development for a long time… in fact, development for this game started in 2005, before ps3 hardware was even materialized in 2006… obviously it was a big mystery when they where looking under the hood of ps3 then and its a given as to why it took this much time since they had to creat devlopment tools from scratch… sony is still aking for that halo/gears trojan horse that microsoft has for xbox and are funding this ps3 game more than any other game out there… although doubtful, they could have delayed kz2 till 2010 had the graphics not met that standard that sony hyped so much about… now try to put a game developers mindset into context for a second b4 you call them lazy plz… they don’t have the luxury 4 yr development scheduals and have unlimited funds coming in to devolop their games… their has always been more than one video game console and what do you do to maximize profits??… you all know the answer – its cross platform devlopment… what console do we all know is doing best for games sales at the moment must i seriously ask… if making the prettiest game was all that mattered, then the wii would be a door stopper rather than the popular excersie machine it is now… you can’t blame game developer in this harsh do or die business of making games… only the strongest with deep pockets survive, and rarely thrive… and guess who makes most games… its the 3rd party developers that make games for both systems who usually fill the gaps while you WAIT for these monster killer app releases… i agree that 360 will keep 3rd party developers from maximizing the potential of ps3’s power, but as long as 360 is doubling sales of ps3, it’ll probly remain this way unfortunetly… you should probably blame sony in a way for this – for making this system too expensive… its way too ironic how sony and microsoft switched roles this gen… all you have to do is look back in time at xbox1 vs ps2 for your answer… xbox was a system that was released after the ps2 and was way more expensive due to microsofts ambitious hardware plans fpr xbox… and due to being the late blumer in that generation, developers took the road that was of less RISK.. they made money on a system with a large install base that had near xbox level graphics due to highly eveloved and familiar development tools and basically was a system that could sell their titles to keep their game making company a float… what ended up hapening was due to the lack of developer support, xbox game graphics didn’t evolve much and ps2 games ended up looking nicer, in fact many nicer looking games than on xbox… only a few stand out exclusives and microsoft’s own halo 2 where able to outdue it in the graphics depmartment… by then it had been 3-4 years for these slightly prettier games to come out and xbox’s life cycle was cut short due to poor sales… they since then realized that they needed to change their image and make a system that is more practivle/economical and came up with an ipod look alike – not a high end big black box thats too expenisve and out of reach for mainstream… that was a huge mistake microsft made and payed dearly for… they where too amitious with hardware last round and ultimatly lost because “m$” (of all companies) couldn’t drop the price of their system and apeas to the masses… 12 yr old billy’s soccer mom is not going to buy him a ps3 when 360 apears to have the same games/graphics and is cheaper… yes video games have reached out to a much larger demograph this generation more now then b4, but you can’t undermine/alienate the so many soccer moms out there that made the ps2 so huge… forget the argument about ps3 being much better value, we all know this, its no secret that ps3 is better bang for your buck… but the people sitting here reading these posts that own all the latest hd gear are in the minority still and billy’s mom either bought him a wii or an xbox this christmas… its not laziness, just smart business practice to stick to what makes you the $$.. its install base that gets your this $$ and developers will SLOWLY make ps3 games prettier and find ways to make cross platform games better for both systems… if sony can’t find a way to drop the price soon to make a big dent in xbox sales and have an install base that would be profitable for developers, then just place kz2 atop as crem-de-la-crem graphics you’ll see until kz3 or the next sony in-house studio game… for now, just be happy and buy the system that has the exclusives you want that someday you’ll eventually play (some cases your hopes will be axed in favor for the next-gen) and bless those 3rd party developers that find economic ways of entertainaing you for countless hours while they survive in what is known as the game industry… just my 2 cents

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]]> By: Shmuk_ http://dlb-network.com/2009/01/killzone-2-to-change-expectations-for-ps3-developers/#comment-14760 Shmuk_ Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:33:23 +0000 http://dlb-network.com/?p=3740#comment-14760 developers are just lazy but good companys that arnt lazy make awesome games. look at insomniac. they steped up there game and you can see the huge difference from resistance 1 to R2. i now R3 will look as good as killzone. this will also be the bench mar of ho a good grapically game should loo so many games will try to loo this good. developers are just lazy but good companys that arnt lazy make awesome games. look at insomniac. they steped up there game and you can see the huge difference from resistance 1 to R2. i now R3 will look as good as killzone.

this will also be the bench mar of ho a good grapically game should loo so many games will try to loo this good.

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]]> By: DisCoM http://dlb-network.com/2009/01/killzone-2-to-change-expectations-for-ps3-developers/#comment-14752 DisCoM Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:18:49 +0000 http://dlb-network.com/?p=3740#comment-14752 well its all up to devs that they use next gen computers and high end tools to make these awsome games and as long 360 pulling the ps3 back with its midicore tools tis might take a while but this is a good start and now as devs will see what you can do with a ps3 then more big company will upgrade to better computing... well its all up to devs that they use next gen computers and high end tools to make these awsome games and as long 360 pulling the ps3 back with its midicore tools tis might take a while but this is a good start and now as devs will see what you can do with a ps3 then more big company will upgrade to better computing…

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]]> By: bryant16319 http://dlb-network.com/2009/01/killzone-2-to-change-expectations-for-ps3-developers/#comment-14720 bryant16319 Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:59:56 +0000 http://dlb-network.com/?p=3740#comment-14720 i agree with kmacd92 i agree with kmacd92

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]]> By: Lord_Orpheo http://dlb-network.com/2009/01/killzone-2-to-change-expectations-for-ps3-developers/#comment-14715 Lord_Orpheo Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:32:52 +0000 http://dlb-network.com/?p=3740#comment-14715 2009 is the year the industry begins shifting back to Sony. M$, you had a good 15mins. of fame but now it's time to hand the reins back to their innovative owner. 2009 is the year the industry begins shifting back to Sony. M$, you had a good 15mins. of fame but now it’s time to hand the reins back to their innovative owner.

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]]> By: AcEdYaBoOtAy http://dlb-network.com/2009/01/killzone-2-to-change-expectations-for-ps3-developers/#comment-14713 AcEdYaBoOtAy Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:58:34 +0000 http://dlb-network.com/?p=3740#comment-14713 they will HAVE to if not then THEY wont be getting any business plain & simple and i cant stand Valve btw they will HAVE to if not then THEY wont be getting any business plain & simple

and i cant stand Valve btw

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]]> By: rico_fiasco http://dlb-network.com/2009/01/killzone-2-to-change-expectations-for-ps3-developers/#comment-14711 rico_fiasco Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:55:55 +0000 http://dlb-network.com/?p=3740#comment-14711 now developers can't use the lame excuse of the ps3 being to hard to make games for. they're just being lazy. now developers can’t use the lame excuse of the ps3 being to hard to make games for. they’re just being lazy.

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]]> By: MOE-GUNZ-JACKSON http://dlb-network.com/2009/01/killzone-2-to-change-expectations-for-ps3-developers/#comment-14708 MOE-GUNZ-JACKSON Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:35:06 +0000 http://dlb-network.com/?p=3740#comment-14708 Maybe most developers will step up there game, but others won't give a fuck *cough Valve cough*. Maybe most developers will step up there game, but others won’t give a fuck *cough Valve cough*.

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]]> By: kmacd92 http://dlb-network.com/2009/01/killzone-2-to-change-expectations-for-ps3-developers/#comment-14706 kmacd92 Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:58:31 +0000 http://dlb-network.com/?p=3740#comment-14706 i think a lot of developers will change their mind about the ps3. they will take on board what Guerilla has done with KZ2 and start to realise what the ps3 can really do. i can also see a lot of developers making ps3 their developing system. a lot of developers say the ps3 is to hard to make games for which some people of said thats not true. IMO if more games were designed on the PS3 and ported to the 360 i feel that we would have better games. take GTA4 for example if that was developed on the ps3 rather than the 360 it would have been a better game. i'm not a fanboy i'm just telling the truth i think a lot of developers will change their mind about the ps3. they will take on board what Guerilla has done with KZ2 and start to realise what the ps3 can really do. i can also see a lot of developers making ps3 their developing system. a lot of developers say the ps3 is to hard to make games for which some people of said thats not true. IMO if more games were designed on the PS3 and ported to the 360 i feel that we would have better games. take GTA4 for example if that was developed on the ps3 rather than the 360 it would have been a better game. i’m not a fanboy i’m just telling the truth

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